I think you meant to say "disadvantage" at this point in the USA Fencing section:
"alleging Lehfeldt made "false and misleading" statements in his Congressional testimony when he said women have no advantage in fencing against male 👨🏻💼competitors identifying as role-playing women."
“Westerners, in their arrogance and blindness to their racism of low expectations, cannot imagine that people they deem “oppressed” or “marginalized” are capable of being racist… In the case of UK’s mass rape scandal, the supposed white privilege translated only into white girls being the most desired flavor of playthings for men.”
The popular presumption that only white people are racist ignores racism across the globe, and you rightly pointed out ignores racism against white people , especially the trope of women as sexual playthings.
🙂 Great roundup of the usual suspects. Yippee kiay MFers. 👍😉🙂
But the sign saying "stop transing gay kids" is somewhat, if not deeply, "problematic". One might argue that gay kids ARE trans-gender kids to begin with. They're exhibiting or "identifying with" sexually dimorphic traits that are more typical of the sex not their own.
The sticky wicket is in those kids thinking or being tricked into thinking they were "born in the wrong bodies", that they should mangle their genitalia and reproductive equipment beyond any use at all, into some ersatz replica of the other sex.
Crime and medical scandal of the century which too many doctors, lawyers, and governmental institutions have been party to. Should be hell to pay for that, one way or another.
That image is under the CTA for DIAG at Rhode Island tomorrow because the picture was taken from their outing in Boston last week. It was meant to show DIAG and not the message in the signs being held by people in the image. But we can see how it's unclear. We've added a caption to clarify.
Thanks for the clarification. Though the message in those signs are still a problem.
Not sure if you've ever read Kathleen Stock's "Material Girls", but she makes something of a decent argument for some merit in the idea of "gender identity":
KS: “I’m going to suggest [that] having a gender identity misaligned with sex is something comprehensible, to which society should pay respectful attention – though not the degree of uncritical acceptance we currently see. ....
The Identification model involves the general idea of someone subconsciously and consciously ‘identifying’ WITH another. ....
Applied to gender identity, then, an identification model says that [for a male] to have a misaligned female [feminine] gender identity is to identify strongly, in this psychological sense, either with a particular female or with femaleness as a general object or ideal. [Likewise with a female having a male [masculine] gender identity.]”
I agree thst the language is complicated, but I personally really like that sign message.
I think I hear what you are saying - gay kids often do not conform to their assigned gender (where gender is a social construct) and so they are “transgender”.
I think what’s important with relation the sign “stop transing gay kids” is that trans (in the gender ideology that is using the word) does *not* mean transing across societally constructed gender norms - that is the radical feminist view of gender, not the TRA’s; Rather “trans” to them means transing across biological sex. So the sign, in relation to the current language use , means stop saying gay kids were born in the wrong body and trying to “trans the gay away” by attempting to change their biological sex (which we here all know is impossible).
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Quite agree with you on your "complicated", but I kinda think we're saying pretty much the same thing though maybe I didn't go far enough. The difference may turn on different senses of "trans" in "transgender" and "transing the young".
I originally said:
"One might argue that gay kids ARE trans-gender kids to begin with. They're exhibiting or 'identifying with' sexually dimorphic traits that are more typical of the sex not their own."
Simply expressing psychlogical or behavioral traits that are not typical of one's sex -- "gender-nonconforming" writ large -- is, by definition, to be "transgender", the other side of "cisgender":
But to start from that position and argue that kids in that state are "born in the wrong body", and that their genitalia should be mangled into some ersatz replica of the other sex is what qualifies as "transing the young". Absolutely monstrous -- should be hell to pay for that; those responsible should be strung up by their nuts and be left to twist in the wind.
I think you meant to say "disadvantage" at this point in the USA Fencing section:
"alleging Lehfeldt made "false and misleading" statements in his Congressional testimony when he said women have no advantage in fencing against male 👨🏻💼competitors identifying as role-playing women."
Thanks for pointing this out. Yes it was a typo. We've corrected.
Yes. I had to reread that sentence several times because it didn't make sense. Then I realized it was a typo. "Disadvantage" is correct.
“Westerners, in their arrogance and blindness to their racism of low expectations, cannot imagine that people they deem “oppressed” or “marginalized” are capable of being racist… In the case of UK’s mass rape scandal, the supposed white privilege translated only into white girls being the most desired flavor of playthings for men.”
👏👏👏👏👏
The popular presumption that only white people are racist ignores racism across the globe, and you rightly pointed out ignores racism against white people , especially the trope of women as sexual playthings.
🙂 Great roundup of the usual suspects. Yippee kiay MFers. 👍😉🙂
But the sign saying "stop transing gay kids" is somewhat, if not deeply, "problematic". One might argue that gay kids ARE trans-gender kids to begin with. They're exhibiting or "identifying with" sexually dimorphic traits that are more typical of the sex not their own.
The sticky wicket is in those kids thinking or being tricked into thinking they were "born in the wrong bodies", that they should mangle their genitalia and reproductive equipment beyond any use at all, into some ersatz replica of the other sex.
Crime and medical scandal of the century which too many doctors, lawyers, and governmental institutions have been party to. Should be hell to pay for that, one way or another.
That image is under the CTA for DIAG at Rhode Island tomorrow because the picture was taken from their outing in Boston last week. It was meant to show DIAG and not the message in the signs being held by people in the image. But we can see how it's unclear. We've added a caption to clarify.
Thanks for the clarification. Though the message in those signs are still a problem.
Not sure if you've ever read Kathleen Stock's "Material Girls", but she makes something of a decent argument for some merit in the idea of "gender identity":
KS: “I’m going to suggest [that] having a gender identity misaligned with sex is something comprehensible, to which society should pay respectful attention – though not the degree of uncritical acceptance we currently see. ....
The Identification model involves the general idea of someone subconsciously and consciously ‘identifying’ WITH another. ....
Applied to gender identity, then, an identification model says that [for a male] to have a misaligned female [feminine] gender identity is to identify strongly, in this psychological sense, either with a particular female or with femaleness as a general object or ideal. [Likewise with a female having a male [masculine] gender identity.]”
I agree thst the language is complicated, but I personally really like that sign message.
I think I hear what you are saying - gay kids often do not conform to their assigned gender (where gender is a social construct) and so they are “transgender”.
I think what’s important with relation the sign “stop transing gay kids” is that trans (in the gender ideology that is using the word) does *not* mean transing across societally constructed gender norms - that is the radical feminist view of gender, not the TRA’s; Rather “trans” to them means transing across biological sex. So the sign, in relation to the current language use , means stop saying gay kids were born in the wrong body and trying to “trans the gay away” by attempting to change their biological sex (which we here all know is impossible).
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Quite agree with you on your "complicated", but I kinda think we're saying pretty much the same thing though maybe I didn't go far enough. The difference may turn on different senses of "trans" in "transgender" and "transing the young".
I originally said:
"One might argue that gay kids ARE trans-gender kids to begin with. They're exhibiting or 'identifying with' sexually dimorphic traits that are more typical of the sex not their own."
Simply expressing psychlogical or behavioral traits that are not typical of one's sex -- "gender-nonconforming" writ large -- is, by definition, to be "transgender", the other side of "cisgender":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cis%E2%80%93trans_isomerism
But to start from that position and argue that kids in that state are "born in the wrong body", and that their genitalia should be mangled into some ersatz replica of the other sex is what qualifies as "transing the young". Absolutely monstrous -- should be hell to pay for that; those responsible should be strung up by their nuts and be left to twist in the wind.